00-11-06
0700 Morning
routine. …..
The following email was received
this morning from Dr. BROWN in
response to my request to him last
week:
From:
Brown, Jim [jrbrown@NRCan.gc.ca]
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 6:30
PM
To:
'tom.juby@ns.sympatico.ca'
Subject: RE: Potential Leaching of
Magnesium in Aluminium Alloys
Afternoon Tom
Was
rushed yesterday so response had to
be very brief.
Details follow to your questions.
1 &
3. Skin and frame Al alloys
were not examined by AES. No
fresh (unpainted) aircraft Al alloy
provided me. I did get to analyze a
piece of recovered sheet Al from the
crash that was painted; 2 layers
present, an inner green (likely
primer) and an outer white layer.
Neither paint layer contains Mg.
Determining the Mg level at the
paint-alloy interface (a layer of
interest only 100 or so angstroms
thick could not be done with the
precision needed. Pieces of
factory fresh alloys would be
required.
2.
My comment about Mg segregation in
Al alloys is a general observation
from many specimens of Al foils and
rolled Al sheets from Alcan, Alcoa
etc. Typically, the outermost
50-100 angstroms of an Al foil/sheet
is oxidized (passive layer) and
enriched in Mg (5-10 at%) compared
to bulk Mg levels of <1 to 3 at%
generally. Under a typical
manufacturing environment (+
stamping pressures and heat) the
passive (Mg & Al -rich) oxide layer
is further altered along with the
alloy's grains (crystals) and
casting contaminants (inclusions);
more Mg can migrate/segregate during
such processing.
4.
The drop melt test performed at MTL
last May was done on fresh pieces of
6061 alloy for reference purposes.
I examined the surface skin of
several 6061 melt puddles. All had
very high Mg (>30 at%) and Al
present as oxides. This
Mg-Al-O layer is only 40-60
angstroms thick however. AES
detection limit for Mg was about 2
at%; none was detected deeper.
Mg is of special interest to me as
well. The seawater-arc bead
study was performed to determine how
much, if any, of the Mg, Ca, Al, Si,
etc. measured by AES in the exhibit
arc melts could have come from post
crash inorganic precipitation and/or
microbiological activity while
submerged in seawater and surrounded
by crash materials (or even after
the wiring had been retrieved, dried
and stored on land).
The FIB/TEM work in progress is to
determine the porosity (cracks,
pores, voids) etc. in the outermost
few microns of flagged arc melts to
determine if Mg and other elements
of interest detected to considerable
depth in the melts by AES could be
seawater artifacts.
Many other materials have also been
examined (various wiring polymer
insulations, kapton inner wrap film,
fresh Ni- and Sn-plated Cu wire
strands, Al-mylar, fiberglass, as
well as various natural
precipitates, corrosion deposits and
particles found on seawater exposed
arc melts and wire strands.
Unfortunately, the fresh Al metal
foil sandwiched between mylar
(Aluminized mylar) and glued to
onboard thermal/sound insulation was
to be provided for surface analysis
but to date has not been provided.
This is also true of skin and frame
Al alloys.
Interestingly, Mg was found on Cu
wiring kapton after seawater
exposure, but it was not present on
factory fresh wiring kapton.
But, obviously the kapton onboard
(wiring of interest) had been burned
prior to seawater so a Kapton-Mg
fire association is not an issue.
Mg (and low Al) was also found in
Sn/Cu-plated wire strands (far from
arc) from triple-twist 12-gauge
wires on pallet #2 (seawater tests)
indicating an affinity of Mg to
sorb/migrate into this Sn/Cu plating
layer. No Mg was measured in
Sn plated strands not exposed to
seawater. Regardless the
exhibit wiring and their arc melts
had all Sn-plating removed by heat
long before wire exposure to
seawater; so again, Mg presence in
exhibit melts due to other reasons.
Mg and Ca (as Mg-Ca
oxy-hydroxl-carbonates) is present
in visible whitish and greenish
colored precipitates/deposits on
some arc melts (exhibits and
seawater trials) so a Mg and Ca
presence on seawater submerged arc
melts can/does occur. However, some
of our exhibits show the presence of
Mg in a solid Cu arc melt region (no
visible porosity and well into the
solid Cu) where no seawater
precipitate deposit could have
formed (unless micro-cracks or pore
openings to surface exist).
Wire strands and arc melts recovered
from the pallet #2 (Mg metal foot
pedal) were partially coated in
large fragile, white particles
(powder) readily visible to the eye.
Powder is Mg oxy-carbonate. However,
Mg is not detected into/below the Cu
arc melt surface only on it.
Again, not explaining the exhibits
Mg observations.
Bottom Line: I have not been
able to determine a natural source
of Mg to explain the amount of Mg
found in many of the exhibit arc
melts given the materials examined
to date. Seawater exposure is
a nasty complexity to the problem,
but I am convinced another source is
responsible. I hate to
speculate what that source is; it
may be Al foil from aluminized
mylar, it may be Al alloy (plane
skin and frame) or something more
sinister. An added problem is that
one would expect an Al - Mg
correlation and high Al/Mg ratio in
Cu arc melts if aluminized mylar or
Al-alloys were the source of Mg. In
many arcs with a high Mg level at
depth there is no Al present
however. My report will
provide the AES results and my
observations to date. This
will include my interest in better
understanding the source of Mg, its
levels, its associations and its
distribution.
You mentioned the FBI were
conducting some arc melt AES work on
another case. Have you heard
anything since? If so, do you
think I (we) could/should contact
them to compare/discuss the protocol
and suspicious findings. I'd
like to know if their AES people
have similar, complexing concerns.
regards,
Jim Brown, MTL
In reply, the following was sent:
To:
James R. Brown
Subject: Potential Leaching of
Magnesium in Aluminium Alloys
Dr.
BROWN
Thank you very much for your latest
message.
Regarding materials to be further
tested. I will check with John
GARSTANG and Larry FOGG to make a
very serious effort to get you some
suitable test strips of skin and
frame pieces, and samples of the
Metallized Mylar and Tedlar.
Regarding the FBI AES examinations.
What I had mentioned to you was in
regard to flight TWA 800.
However, it seems that neither the
FBI nor the NTSB performed AES
examinations of the arc melts in the
tank. We were given incorrect
information during our initial
meeting with New York members of the
FBI, and no such testing had been
done. A comment had been made
during the meeting that they had run
into the very same problems, but it
appears that there was a
misunderstanding about the testing
method, and what exactly the
problems were that were being
discussed. So, this avenue is
of no help to us.
It will be next week before I have
any contact with John GARSTANG as he
is away in Zurich this week, and
Larry FOGG is somewhere on the
Orient Express on holidays.
But it is a priority to get this
material supplied.
Thank you again for your prompt
reply to my questions.
Tom
Juby
RCMP