01-02-08          …..      This afternoon, Roy BEARS called from the local TSB office.  He has been tasked by Vic GERDEN to locate specified materials from ‘J’ Hangar so that they can conduct further burn tests.  He wanted to know how to go about the process and if I would be available to help.  I told him that this was news to me, and that John GARSTANG obviously knew nothing about it.  Roy said that he has received several emails from various people, including Vic GERDEN and Doug McEWEN.  It includes Mylar, ducts, ceiling tiles, etc.  I suggested that he forward the list of items to me via email so that I can check on their locations, and then agreed that on Monday we can select the items and process them in the normal manner.  He certainly did not wish to circumvent the process, and he also did not know why the request had gone direct to him rather than to us here at the hangar.  No matter who goes after the materials, the items all have to be logged correctly and exhibited, something that the local office is not familiar with.  Even simply locating the correct bulk box is a task in itself.

            I sent off an email to Lee GARSTANG stating the above paragraph, as she will be talking to John likely sometime tonight or later this afternoon. 

-----Original Message-----

 From:  tom.juby@ns.sympatico.ca [SMTP:tom.juby@ns.sympatico.ca]

 Sent:   Thursday, February 08, 2001 1:11 PM

 To:      Lee GARSTANG    Cc:      John GARSTANG

 Subject:          Burn Test????

       Hi Lee, how goes the battle.  Lots of snow up there I hear.  Lots of it down here as well.  Shovelled 3 to 4 feet of the stuff off my roof last weekend.

      John left here about noon, and everything looks good for his trip back.  I don't want to bother him with this, but when you speak to him next, maybe you can mention it.

      This afternoon (01-02-08), Roy BEARS called from the local TSB office.  He has been tasked by Vic GERDEN to locate a list of materials from 'J' Hangar so that they can conduct further burn tests.  He wanted to know how to go about the process and if I was available to help.  I told him that this was news to me, and that John seems to have known nothing about it.  Roy said that he has received several emails from various people, including Jim FOOT and Doug McEWEN.  The list of materials includes Mylar, ducts, ceiling tiles, etc.  I suggested that he forward the list of items to me via email so that I can check on their locations, and then agreed that on Monday we can select the items and process them in the normal manner.  He certainly did not wish to circumvent the process, and he also did not know why the request had gone directly to him rather than to us here at the hangar.  No matter who goes after the materials, the items all have to be logged correctly and exhibited, something that the local office is not familiar with.  Even simply locating the correct bulk box is a task in itself.

     Lee, I don't think that John is aware of this, as he said nothing to me.  I just want to let him know in case something is being done without his input.  Not that such a thing would ever happen.

     Got to run, CU

Tom JUBY

            Instead of Jim FOOT, it should have read Don ENNS.

            Then the following emails were received from Roy, so it seems that John was sent a copy, although he may not have received them yet, as his email system is terribly slow here in the hangar.

 From: "Bears, Roy" <Roy.Bears@tsb.gc.ca>

To: 'Tom Juby' <tom.juby@ns.sympatico.ca>

Subject: FW: Collection of SR111 sample materials - J Hgr

Date:  Thu, 8 Feb 2001 12:54:24 -0500

Here is the initial e mail. As soon as I get the list I will forward it on.

 Cheers    Roy

  -----Original Message-----

 From:  Bears, Roy

 Sent:   Thursday, February 08, 2001 1:37 PM

 To:      McEwen, Douglas; Enns, Don; Garstang, John    Cc:      Chaulk, Allan; Fowler, William; Vance, Larry; Gerden, Vic

 Subject:          RE: Collection of SR111 sample materials - J Hgr

 Doug, Don, John

   Could one of you fine gentlemen provide us with the list of the items required as well as an indication of the quantity of each item required. 

 Roy

            -----Original Message-----

            From:   McEwen, Douglas

            Sent:    Thursday, February 08, 2001 1:09 PM

            To:       Enns, Don; Garstang, John               Cc:       Bears, Roy; Chaulk, Allan; Fowler, William; Vance, Larry;  Gerden, Vic

            Subject:           RE: Collection of SR111 sample materials - J Hgr

            Don / John

            It is unlikely that we can provide hangar examples of the Composite Duct, Smoke Curtain or Plastic Drip Shield (shroud) as we have not been able to positively identify any of these items. 

            Here is a good place to start looking for the rest of our examples (based on the latest information I received from Andy Kerr just prior to the move).

            The rubber flex joints and ducts can most likely be found in:

            Master Exhibit number 1-13952, bulk bag of rubber ducting in container 1-13944.

            Master Exhibit number 1-13953, bulk bag of rubber ducting in container 1-13944.

            Master Exhibit number 1-14337, bulk bag of red rubber ducting in container 1-14331.

            The end caps can most likely be found in:

            Master Exhibit number 1-14336, bulk bag in container 1-14331.

            The cockpit liner material can most likely be found in:

            Master Exhibit number 1-14054, bulk bag in container 1-14205 located in box exhibit number 1-13973.

            Master Exhibit number 1-14055, bulk bag in container 1-13973.

            The non-metallic items (tye straps, spiral wrap, insulation ties, etc) can most likely be found in:

            Master Exhibit number 1-13512, storage bag in container 1-13967.

            The Mylar, Tedlar and tape have already been separated and are in their own boxes.

            The green blanket and black backing foam was put into storage just prior to the move preparations so the location should be easy to identify.

             We have numerous ceiling panels exhibits which are categorized by thickness, material covering and extent of damage.  The Master Exhibit numbers for these are: 1-14021, 1-14022, 1-14024, 1-14025, 1-14026, 1-14027, 1-14028, 1-14029, 1-14030, 1-14031, 1-14032, 1-14033, 1-14035, 1-14036, 1-14037, 1-14038, 1-14040, 1-14046, 1-14184, 1-14186 and 1-14187.

It might be easiest to use the Swissair supplied items as samples and select from our exhibits items which are best match.

             Doug

                         -----Original Message-----

                        From:   Gerden, Vic

                        Sent:    Thursday, February 08, 2001 10:57 AM

                        To:       Enns, Don; Garstang, John     Cc:       Garstang, John; Garstang, Lee; Bears, Roy; Chaulk,  Allan; Fowler, William; McEwen, Douglas; Vance, Larry

                        Subject:           Collection of SR111 sample materials - J Hgr

                        Don

                        As discussed yesterday, I have spoken with Roy Bears who has agreed to arrange, together with Allen Chaulk, the collection of the samples (about 12) that are needed for the heat energy release calculations for the materials that most likely contributed to the severity of the SR111 fire damage. As we discussed previously we will also ask SR Technics for samples.

                        I indicated to Roy that you would send him and Allen the list of materials, that Tom Juby might be able to assist with the E&R database info and with shipping and database tracking, and that telecons might be necessary to assist Roy/Allen in zeroing in on the appropriate boxes efficiently.

                        I would like to get these energy release numbers as soon as able so that we can use the info in the analysis and in any fire modelling that may be done.

                        John: I have been directed by the outgoing Exec Dir to have a TSB presence (or sister org rep) at significant testing work done by outside labs, so when a date is arranged we will need to assess whether this process is significant enough to need to attend and who would attend the FAA session(s).

                        Thanks, all.     Vic

and the following message

From: "Bears, Roy" <Roy.Bears@tsb.gc.ca>

To: 'Tom Juby' <tom.juby@ns.sympatico.ca>

Subject: FW: Material samples for heat analysis

Date:  Thu, 8 Feb 2001 12:57:11 -0500

Return-Receipt-To: "Bears, Roy" <Roy.Bears@tsb.gc.ca>

Here it is

 -----Original Message-----

 From:  McEwen, Douglas

 Sent:   Thursday, February 08, 2001 1:46 PM

 To:      Bears, Roy    Cc:      Chaulk, Allan

 Subject:          FW: Material samples for heat analysis

 Here you go.

 -----Original Message-----

 From:  Enns, Don

 Sent:   Tuesday, February 06, 2001 6:45 PM

 To:      Garstang, John; Gerden, Vic; Vance, Larry; Foot, Jim; Vitt, Randy;  Britten, John; McEwen, Douglas

 Subject:          Material samples for heat analysis

 The attached document is the shopping list for materials to be analyzed at the FAA Tech Lab for heat release determinations.  Please review and provide comment before we forward the list to Swissair.

 Thanks    Don      <<FuelLoadMaterials.wpd>>    …..

            So, it appears further testing for heat release amounts will be conducted.  I just have to wonder if using materials that have been submerged and stored in this manner is an accurate representation of heat release, as it might error on the lower scale than the higher scale because of less contaminants, etc due to the wash.  However, the presence of fuel oil would drastically increase the heat output.

            One of the items listed, the ‘green blanket and black backing foam’, might be more difficult to find in sufficient quantities.  I believe that this is the material from above the doors that covers and protects the Mylar insulation blankets when the door moves up and down.  I have been looking for this material for some time, and had Andy and the Vets looking for it, to no avail.  A limited amount was found and had been on the table outside my door just prior to the move.  I think I put it in my box of collectables and will have to check.